Can the Flu Vaccine Give You the Flu?


Vaccines, in general, have been a massive boon to humanity. They’ve rid the world of an affliction that
has plagued humanity for thousands of years in smallpox (for reference killing over 300
million people in the 20th century alone before it was eradicated), and have almost completely
wiped out polio, all while preventing millions of deaths from countless other viruses every
single year. As for the flu vaccine, it’s recommended
by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the National Institute of Health, and
almost every other major health organization around the world. Despite this, outside of whether certain vaccines
can give babies autism (see our article: Do Vaccines Cause Autism?), few vaccines garner
as much controversy as the flu vaccine. So if vaccines are so great- and they unequivocally
are, assuming you’re not a “watch the world burn” type- and the flu vaccine is
so widely recommended by experts, why is there such controversy surrounding it? Today we’ll be doing a deep dive on this
topic, as well as answering the question of whether the flu vaccine can give you the flu. According the US census bureau, there are
approximately 320 million people in the United States. The CDC states that about 20% of the population
will be affected by the flu each year, and in 2013 in the U.S. there were around 57,000
deaths caused by influenza/pneumonia, with the CDC crediting 3,697 as dying from influenza
specifically. In fact, in that same year the CDC reported
that the flu was number eight on the top causes of death behind (in order) heart disease,
cancer, chronic lower respiratory diseases, accidents, strokes, Alzheimer’s, and diabetes. It is estimated that if every person in the
United States received a flu shot, it would cost approximately $4.8 billion and would
save approximately 3,200 lives each year on top of what are already saved today at current
vaccination levels, all while preventing around a whopping 100,000 hospitalizations. As with everything, there’s a trade-off,
however; this is, in part, where some of the controversy starts to creep in. In this case, if everyone were vaccinated,
around a total of 320-640 people each year would hospitalized, suffer a life threatening
illness, be permanently disabled or die as a result of the vaccine. On top of that, around 3.2 million per year
of the total 320 million could potentially have an immune reaction causing flu-like symptoms,
although more minor than the actual flu itself and the hard number on this latter point is
somewhat up for debate. (It may actually be smaller, which we’ll
get into later.) To better understand these numbers and the
controversy surrounding them, let’s look at what the flu is, why the flu vaccine doesn’t
always seem to work, and the problems associated with creating vaccines to fight this particular
deliverer-of-death. The influenza virus is a member of the virus
family Orthomyxoviridae and comes in four broad flavors- Type A, B, C and D. The flu
vaccine is designed to protect you from A, B, and C. Type D will usually affect cattle
and hasn’t been shown to infect people. Type A and B are the two usually causing seasonal
epidemics, and they’re the two classes of viruses the seasonal vaccine is designed to
protect you from. Type C will most likely cause mild respiratory
illnesses and aren’t thought to be a cause of epidemics. Type A has two subtypes; they are differentiated
by the type of protein they have on the surface of the virus, Hemagglutinin or Neuraminidase. Hemagglutinin also comes in 18 different varieties
and Neuraminidasse has 11; these are named H1-18 and N1-11. Combined, these classes can make up strains. Influenza type A strains are H1N1 and H3N2. (In 2009, you might have been aware of the
specific H1N1 virus. Prior to that year, H1N1 viruses circulating
around the populous caused their normal web-of-woe. Unfortunately, a new strain of H1N1 began
circulating causing worsened symptoms and was the first known flu pandemic in about
four decades.) Type B viruses are characterized by lineage,
depending on the type of antibody they produce- Type B/Yamagata and type B/Victoria. The annual flu vaccine will attempt to give
you immunity from both H1N1 and H3N2 type A viruses, and either 1 or 2 of the type B.
As previously alluded to, no current seasonal vaccine attempts to prevent type C. This brings us to why flu vaccinations don’t
always work. Due to the extremely large number of specific
flu viruses, and the complexities in figuring out which ones are circulating, it’s nearly
impossible to create a vaccine that will protect everyone from every type of virus. Instead, scientists will create annual flu
vaccines depending on the most likely type of flu that will be circulating that year. How do they figure out which flu virus is
more likely to be circulating? There are over 100 countries that have national
influenza centers conducting year-round surveillance for flu. They send their results to five main World
Health Organization research centers in Atlanta, London, Melbourne, Tokyo, and Beijing. Two times per year (in February for the Northern
Hemisphere and September for the Southern) representatives from each research center
meet up and review the results of studies looking at surveillance issues, laboratory
results and clinical studies. They also asses the availability of vaccine
viruses. After analyzing all the data, they make recommendations
for the composition of the next flu vaccine. Based on those recommendations, each individual
country decides on the specific composition of the viruses included in their vaccines. (In the United States, the FDA makes the final
decision on vaccines to be sold in the U.S. and the CDC collects data from five sites
across the country to assess how well the vaccine is working.) There are two main types of flu vaccines,
Trivalent and quadrivalent. The former is so-named “Tri” because it
protects you from three types of the flu- type A H1N1 and H3N2, and one of the B viruses;
it could be either one. As for the latter quadrivalent, it simply
adds the second type of B antigen to the mix. (For reference, of the estimated 157-168 million
doses of vaccine available for the 2016-2017 flu season in the United States, about 96
million were quadrivalent.) The two types of vaccines are made in one
of three ways. Most use egg based manufacturing processes-
they inject viruses into fertilized hen’s eggs and allow them to incubate for several
days. The viruses are then removed, killed, and
the antigens purified. That concoction is now a flu vaccine. More recently, the FDA has allowed these viruses
to be just severely weakened, instead of killed. This allows for the vaccine to be produced
as a nasal spray instead of injected. (However, for the 2016-2017 flu season the
CDC issued a recommendation that this latter form of flu vaccination not be used owing
to data showing it to be significantly less effective compared to other forms of flu vaccines
between 2013-2016, and non-effective altogether during the 2015-2016 flu season.) Cell based vaccines use pretty much the same
process as the egg based manufacturing, except mammalian cells are called on to incubate
the virus instead of eggs. The third method uses recombinant technology. In a nutshell, they take the protein on the
surface of the virus and combine it with portions of other viruses that grow well inside insect
cells. Allowed to multiply inside the insect cells,
the proteins from the original virus are harvested and purified for release as a vaccine. No matter which method used, outside of potentially
the relatively rarely administered nasal spray version, the vaccine will give you some level
of protection against the flu. With that background out of the way, we’ll
now address the question of the hour- Can the flu vaccine give you the flu? As you might have guessed already given our
description of how flu vaccines are made, the answer is unequivocally no- you’re not
going to get the flu from the flu vaccine. Beyond the process itself being perfected,
extensive testing is done on the vaccine batches themselves to ensure no viable virus ever
runs the gauntlet and finds its way into the solution injected into you. This fact is also backed up by countless studies
looking at those who receive flu vaccines. So why are so many convinced that the flu
vaccine can give you the flu? As previously noted, the flu vaccine can,
and commonly does, give you symptoms caused by an immune response. (An immune response is what you’re hoping
for in the first place.) That stimulation can come with its own side
effects. For instance, people may experience soreness,
swelling around the injection site, muscle and joint pain, hives, rash, headache, nausea,
general feelings of weakness, etc. from the flu vaccine. If this sounds eerily like the symptoms the
flu gives you, you’re correct. Usually, however, even if such a reaction
does take place, it is generally much less severe than the actual flu itself. For reference here, in 2015, 86-92% of people
who received the flu vaccine reported redness around the injection site; 50-59% said they
had swelling; and 33-45% said itching was also a problem. Beyond the injection site, 9-15 % say they
felt generally ill after getting the shot, while 10-13% said a headache also occurred. That said, particularly these latter numbers
need taken with a grain of salt. As the CDC points out, a portion of them appear
to fall in line with the chance of becoming sick from every day things we come across
at any given point, like other viruses, bacteria, fungi, etc. So, for example, said individual may get infected
by one of the couple hundred or so viruses that cause the “common cold” around the
time they get the flu vaccine, and go on to think that the vaccine gave them the flu or
flu-like symptoms. In fact, in one study with a sample size of
about two thousand people, half were given a saline shot (salt-water) and half actual
flu vaccines, with the result being the two groups reporting almost identical subsequent
symptoms, with the exception being that those given the actual flu shots had more soreness
near the injection site- the important thing for the discussion at hand being that those
who reported “flu-like” symptoms (and all other excepting arm soreness) after getting
the shot did so just as frequently whether they got the saline solution or flu vaccine. Needless to say, it’s difficult to determine
precisely how many people who report flu-like symptoms after receiving the flu vaccine have
such symptoms because of the vaccine- correlation does not equal causation, no matter how much
our brains seem pre-wired to think so. No matter what the precise numbers really
are- a very small percentage of people are generally thought to have a reaction to the
flu shot that more or less feels to them like the flu, perhaps leading someone to think
they got the flu from the flu shot, even though they have not. In another scenario, similar to when acquiring
a virus that gives you the “common cold” around the time of receiving the flu shot,
someone might legitimately get the flu directly before or after getting the flu shot. In this case, however, it wasn’t the shot
that gave them the flu; they either just acquired the live, full strength virus before their
immune system had a chance to work its magic on the vaccine (which takes about two weeks)
or they acquired a strain of the virus the vaccine didn’t help with. These factors combined have led to the widespread
idea that the flu vaccine can cause a person to get the flu, despite a significant amount
of scientifically vetted evidence to the contrary. Again, it’s always good to keep in mind
that correlation does not equal causation. And after forming such opinions, this is one
of many times when one might need to fight a bit against the brain’s natural tendency
towards confirmation bias and just look at what the significant amount of hard data says
instead. This may all have you wondering how the flu
vaccine protects you from the flu at all given in the vast majority of cases you’re having
dead viruses injected. In a nutshell, vaccines work because they
trick your immune system into thinking there is a live virus present in the body. As for the much more interesting nitty gritty
details, your adaptive immune system has two types of cells, B and T cells, that seek out
and destroy these viruses. B cells produce unique protein molecules (antibodies)
that attach to receptor sites of antigens (in this case the flu vaccine). Once attached, they act like a red flag for
T cells to recognize. Once identified, your immune system will immediately
begin creating large numbers of identical cells to circulate throughout your body. They mobilize like a defending army and attempt
to vanquish the enemy. Should your immune-infantry succeed, memory
B and T cells will hang around for a while in case the same invader shows up later. It’s these memory B and T cells that the
vaccine is attempting to create within your body. If you get vaccinated and your body creates
its memory B and T cells, when the actual flu rears its ugly head, you have the adaptive
immunity to prevent the virus from being able to replicate and spread throughout your body. Once you’re injected with a vaccine, as
previously mentioned, it’ll usually take about two weeks for your immune system to
work its magic and create the antibodies necessary to fight off a future flu attack. With the peak of flu season between December
and February (see Why Do People Seem to Get Sick More in the Winter), you want to get
the vaccine in the early fall, giving your immune system enough time to mobilize before
you’re potentially exposed. This brings us around to the question of how
effective flu vaccines actually are. This varies considerably from year to year
based on how well matched a given year’s vaccine is for the strains of virus circulating,
but according the CDC, from 2004-2015, the flu vaccine was effective 61% of the time
against H1N1 and 33% effective against H3N2. Against type B, they were 54% effective. (It should also be noted that even if not
fully effective, the symptoms a vaccinated person experiences may be somewhat less severe
than those who are not vaccinated.) This said, as you now know, there are many
types of influenza viruses. The symptoms they cause are wide-ranging,
from mild to deadly. Some people seek treatment for their symptoms,
and many more do not. Many other types of illnesses can cause similar
symptoms, leading many to say they have the flu when they, in fact, do not. Combined with the fact that to specifically
diagnose the flu you need to have your blood drawn and a lab confirm it was the flu that
caused your symptoms, it can be extremely difficult for researchers to nail down the
exact numbers of those affected, which is why quoted numbers can, in some cases, vary
a bit from study to study. This caveat noted, as previously alluded to,
the general consensus is that the flu causes between 3,000 and 49,000 deaths and 200,000
hospitalizations per year in the United States alone. The flu vaccine is currently the best weapon
doctors have of preventing its spread, and its symptoms-of-suffering. The biggest concern for opponents of the flu
vaccine is whether it should be recommended for everyone. (Many companies, mostly in the health industry,
even require it as a condition of employment.) Whatever side of the argument one is on, few
would dispute that the flu vaccine isn’t as effective as we humans would like. Generally speaking, as previously mentioned,
getting a flu vaccine is close to a coin flip in preventing you from getting the flu. And unfortunately, those who it’s most intended
to protect- those over 65 and children under 2- seem to get the least protection from it. In fact, surprisingly, one of the largest
studies performed on flu vaccine effectiveness by age group in the United States, published
in the Journal of Infectious Disease in May of 2015, Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness in
the United States During 2012–2013: Variable Protection by Age and Virus Type, showed almost
no effectiveness for those over 65. (However, there is some evidence that newer
high-dose flu vaccines may lead to a stronger immune response in the elderly, potentially
changing the numbers a bit, with further research needed.) As for healthy adults and older children,
they see the most benefit from the vaccine. Ironically, they’re also the least likely
to have serious medical complications from getting the flu to begin with. So why is it recommended that these individuals
get the flu vaccine at all then? Because, even given all this, studies have
shown that for every 4000 people vaccinated against the flu, one person’s life will
be saved. The CDC also points out that herd immunity
helps prevent the flu’s widespread transmission. Essentially, if enough people get the vaccine,
there will be a large portion of the populous that are immune to given strains; so when
the flu does start to spread, there will be less of a chance of it affecting the population
at large. So those elderly who it would appear the vaccine
isn’t particularly effective for will at least get some level of protection via being
less likely to encounter the flu if most everyone around them is vaccinated against the projected
major strains of the virus in a given year. Given this, how are there still any real opponents
to flu vaccination? Beyond those using faulty data and/or questionable
logic, or just being generally anti-vaccine regardless of what any data says, there are
some who have more legitimate concerns. While you may not get the flu from the flu
vaccine, we said near the beginning of this article that some people die from getting
the flu shot- a much worse prospect altogether. So what’s going on here? Like any immune response, there are those
who can have an over-reaction to the flu vaccine. Although extremely rare, the CDC states serious
reactions- those defined as causing hospitalization, life threatening illness, permanent disability
or death- occur in 1-2 people for every 1 million vaccinated. Yes, an almost literal case of “a one in
a million shot.” In the words of Lloyd Christmas from Dumb
and Dumber, “So your telling me there’s a chance?!?!” Another condition, known as Guillain-Barré
syndrome occurs in about 1 person per million vaccinated. This condition is where your immune system
attacks your nerves leaving you with symptoms ranging from tingling and numbness and can
lead to overall paralysis. (This said, a 2009 study in China looking
at the administration of over 100 million doses of flu vaccine found only 0.1 cases
of Guillain-Barré per million, which was oddly lower, not higher, than what would be
expected of the general population who weren’t vaccinated.) Nevertheless, this is still widely cited as
an exceptionally rare serious side effect of widespread use of flu vaccines, even though
recent studies are beginning to cast some doubt on this notion. If you’re starting to get a good picture
on why getting a flu shot is such a hot topic, despite it being a net positive to society
as a whole, there’s actually more wood to throw on the fire. Some studies show that repeated vaccinations
will reduce vaccine effectiveness later on. So- get vaccinated now when you’re healthy
and in your prime, potentially helping young children and the elderly in the process, if
not yourself, and you could have less effectiveness as you age and start to really need the help
from the vaccine. It should be noted though that there is more
research that needs done here, as there are also studies using valid methodology that
don’t seem to show these results. (Again, going back to how difficult it is
to nail down precise numbers here without very expensive studies with massive sample-sizes
or just a huge number of studies being done looking at something.) So the question of repeated dosing is still
up in the air and in need of further research. Nevertheless, opponents of the flu vaccine
posit that since over half of the time the effectiveness of the vaccine is less than
50% it may not be worth it to take even a one in a million chance of being a person
who has a severe reaction. On top of that, there are the potential minor
reactions so many can have from the vaccine itself, when a given person may have never
become infected with the flu anyway, even had they not been vaccinated- essentially
causing them pain and discomfort for no net benefit to themselves. For these reasons, opponents of the flu vaccine
sometimes note that it is inappropriate for any governmental organization to recommend
or require its citizens to get a flu vaccine. On the other side of the argument, proponents
of the flu vaccine point out that, aside from washing your hands and covering your mouth
when you cough, vaccination is the best way we have at preventing the massive number of
hospitalizations and deaths that occur each year as a result of the flu- and that’s
with us already benefiting from a level of herd immunity from current vaccination levels. In the extreme case of getting rid of flu
vaccinations altogether, as some anti-vaccers propose, the problem would be much worse-
in the worst case scenario perhaps even someday resembling such historic incidents as the
1918 flu pandemic when about 1 in 20 people (yep) on planet Earth died as a result of
said flu outbreak (a strain of H1N1 influenza), with about 1 in 4 of the human population
contracting the virus. (This pandemic was so severe that another
one that struck around the same time went largely unnoticed by the wider world despite
killing a whopping 1 million people and affecting countless others, including leaving many trapped
inside their own bodies, without the will to speak or move. Just as quickly as the disease appeared, it
suddenly seemed to disappear, leaving the medical world completely stumped. It was only about a decade ago that researchers
finally uncovered what seems to have caused the problem- a disease that’s actually still
around today- a rare form of streptococcus- and whose symptoms start with a simple sore
throat. For you hypochondriacs out there, try not
to dwell on that one the next time you get strep-throat. For more on all this, see our article The
Mysterious Encephalitis Lethargica Epidemic.) In the end, even given current flu vaccines’
less than ideal effectiveness rates, the reason so many health organizations recommend everyone
within certain age groups get the flu vaccine every year is that we as a society have the
ability to relatively cheaply save many thousands of additional lives per year world wide on
top of what is already saved via widespread flu vaccination. The main cost here is a significantly smaller
number potentially having serious reactions and the rest merely suffering a mild inconvenience
or no issues at all as a result of the vaccine- thus, in the vast majority of cases a tiny
price to pay for saving so many people’s lives every year. Of course, opponents of flu vaccines argue
that those precious handful pay the ultimate price in saving the lives of a much greater
number each year- like the lotto, it probably won’t be you that “wins,” but somebody
will. Someday, the occasional heroes that are the
beaker-geeks of the world might be able to create a universal flu vaccine to prevent
all types of influenza viruses from causing their meshwork of mayhem- perhaps not long
after even ridding the world of this occasional plague of humanity altogether, as humanity
has done with smallpox. Until that day, there will undoubtedly be
controversy surrounding the flu vaccine, particularly when mandatory flu vaccination programs are
occasionally pushed. Before you decide to take the plunge on one
side or the other, make sure you talk to your doctor and get the specifics of your situation-
some may have good reason not to get such a vaccine, such as those already immunocompromised
from illness or disease. But for most everyone else, it might hurt
a little to receive a flu vaccine, but it also should help- if not you, perhaps an individual
of the particularly youthful or elderly persuasion you care about. It’s been theorized that the eradication
of smallpox and the rapid rise of HIV around the same time was no coincidence. Both HIV and smallpox exploit the same receptor
(CCR5) and, interestingly enough, the vaccine for smallpox has been shown to provide some
protection against HIV as well. Thus, when the masses suddenly stopped being
commonly vaccinated for smallpox, it made it easier
for HIV to spread.

100 thoughts on “Can the Flu Vaccine Give You the Flu?

  1. I've gotten the flu vaccine 8 times in my life. Each time I became horribly sick. As bad as or worse than the flu going on that year. The doctors say I get an overactive immune response to it. So I don't end up getting it. At least when I don't, I have a chance of not getting sick.

  2. Can't refute the stats, clearly vaccines work. But I've had a flu shot once and got horribly sick. The sickness wasn't trivial compared with full on flu which I have experienced. So I decline with my Doctors agreement.

  3. Next question then, I read studies that showed vitamin D supplementation had higher success rates than the flu vaccine at preventing flu, so is that true and if so why no encourage people unwilling to have the vaccine to at least take vitamin D?

  4. Lies….. Lies…..Lies………… I can see BIG PHARMA and DOLLAR SIGNS all over this PAID PHARMA TROLL's FACE ! ……. VACCINES are what SPREAD THE DISEASES………That is how they Continue Their EVIL MONEY PROFITING !!!

  5. Goddammit… Why is this a question by now? All you non vaxers can die. Me and the rest of the medical professionals and our kids who don't get a disease will just populate the world with smarter humans.

  6. But I thank you for trying to educate people on the subject. The influenza virus mutates every year based on both the vaccine efficiency and the natural antibodies humans make. So there is no such thing as a perfect vaccine.

  7. I have only ever had one flu shot. Got sicker than I have ever been. I very seldom ever get sick. You folks do whatever you want. Trusting the government & or pharmaceutical companies is never a good idea. Imho

  8. I once got the flue shot. It DID make me sick. The shot site was very red hot and painful by day's end. Next day I was very I'll. Felt horrible. And could not use my arm where the shot was given. The shoulder was very painful. It was so bad. I never got another flue shot again.

  9. Did anyone else get extreme aches and pain in their arm after the vaccine? Its been 3 days and my arm hurts so much that I can't sleep.

  10. I have not gotten the flu shot in over a decade. I have stopped listening to doctors and started listening to my body. I was sick alot as a kid. Various things thaut doctors always wanted to treat with so called medicine. At one point i was on twelve different medications. Most were for the side effects if the others. I stopped taking them all together once i became an adult. It took time for my body to adjust. Since i stopped going to medical "professionals" i have been healthier than i ever was. Too many people will deny the truth becuse it soinds absurd. While the accept the lies becuse it is easy. Doctors and pharmaceutical companies are not interested in makeing us healthier. There is no money in cures only treatments. It is in the professional best interests of the medical field to keep us sick and dying.

    This video is from a ex-nurse who tells the truth about the horrors of the flu shot.

    https://youtu.be/nWzmqe5bwf8

  11. Did anyone else notice that Simon didn't try to make an ad for any sponsor here in this video although he always tries to sell something in all of his videos. That is because he has been bought off by big Pharma Bill Gates and the CDC.

  12. I only ever received one flu shot in my life. After receiving said flu shot I went to football practice. By the time football practice was over I had a hundred and three fever all my joints were hurting and my head was pounding and I couldn't even stand up. It was by far the worst flu I have ever had in my entire life. Ever since then doctors and nurses of told me that that's impossible but yet I experienced it. Just because the government says something is safe does not mean it is necessarily true why don't you do a show on the Tuskegee experiments. Although I think you already did.

  13. Yeah and they put and left cancer viruses in the vaccines! And we are supposed to trust these bastards? Yeah they have done some good in the past but if you are stupid enough to trust them after it is a known fact that the CDC along with the WHO has a population control agenda as a goal then you might want to get your head examined. My doctor who I have had for 20 years flat out told me the WHO wants to kill people. Jesus look at the cancer industry. More people die from treatment than the disease. Only the most virulent cancer could possibly be positively effected by straight poison. Trust nothing. Trust no one. Do your own research.

  14. I never had chicken pox before but revieved a chicken pox vaccine when i was younger, and i got shingles at age 15 and you cannot get shingles unless you have had chicken pox before…

  15. The irony of course is that people that watch your channel are probably too intelligent to be anti-vaxxers, so you're preaching to the choir.

  16. I feel like the whole "you can't get the flu from the flu shot" is a bit of a straw man argument because I've never heard anyone claim that they have ever caught the flu from one and I can't even recall the last time I heard someone say they believed that you could.

    Now the tricky issue is that the flu shot can give you "mild flu-like symptoms" which for some people (myself included) aren't so mild.

    In my case, if I get the flu shot I feel about half as crappy as I do if I actually get the flu, but since I only get the flue about every 10 years I take the roughly 10% risk that I'll feel completely crappy for a couple weeks over the 100% guarantee that I'll feel still pretty crappy for a week or so.

    Now granted I'm still (relatively) young and healthy so getting the flu isn't so much a real health threat as much as an unpleasant experience. When I get into my 60s I may reconsider my position.

  17. 4 of my 5 family members get the flu shot. For some reason my wife cannot get the shot; she gets violently ill and bedridden for a week (everytime she got the shot). Simple answer, she was told not to get the shot. But she is the exception, that doesn't stop the rest of us getting the vaccine.

  18. Quick suggestion from a subscriber and fan. If you want to educate people try and avoid alienating those who need education the most during the video. Particularly at the beginning. It is very frustrating that some people don't get vaccinations often with horrible results for themselves and those around them. The CDC has identified young children/babies that have died when parents moved to areas with low vaccination levels. It is more important to stop these tragedies than to make a 'feel good' point poking at those that need your information.

  19. Yes and no, the bacteria and viruses in the vaccine are either dead or dormant, it can contain small traces of live viruses but the chance is very low, getting a flu shot gives you the flu in a very controlled manor so your body can make the antibodies to combat these viruses to fight these viruses in the future, making you immune

  20. I am a proponent of vaccines in general. However, due to the influenza vaccine being little more than a coin toss for effectiveness and the fact that I am still young enough to not truly worry about influenza in general I opt to avoid getting this particular vaccination. If and when they are able to provide a significantly more effective broad spectrum influenza vaccine I will gladly jump on the band wagon. It makes me wonder why we don’t try creating a vaccine that covers EVERY possible strain… seeing as they are related, there must be a common biological weakness right?

  21. Year after year when my employer distributes flu shots, I do not get one, but I get sick (mainly plugged up ears) almost exactly 1 weeks later. THis is repeatable and demonstrable. Stop spreading CDC propaganda.

  22. Most people who claim to have the flu actually have a less serious virus , having a cough, sneezing and a sore throat does not mean you have the flu

  23. The comments section can be really mean. That sucks. I wish people would just not post negative crap. And the feeling of getting sick after every flu shot sucks too. I had my first flu shot in 22 years and I've been in bed most of the day after getting it. I know side effects like chills and body aches are "rare" but I seem to get them. I get it; it's not the real flu but it still sucks. I stopped getting them once I graduated high school because of this problem. 22 years later, same problem. I have to say that i did get the flu a couple of times and it put me down hard for about a week each. So if feeling sick for 2-3 days is the cost of not needing to go to the hospital later, it may be worth it. I wish I didn't qualify for the rare side effects. The flip side is that I can plan a sick weekend by getting the shot on Friday.

  24. In Australia in 2017 over 1000 people died from the flu. As a result, the Government ramped up the availability of the flu vaccine.
    In 2018, 73 people died from the flu.
    So that's 1000 deaths down to 73 deaths in only 1 year.
    …….And these nutters are still going around saying vaccines don't work. Even though the results are right in front of them.

  25. The probability of getting influenza from lowest to highest, and multiplier between that and previous group.
    Vaccinated adults should have about 1.2% chance of getting influenza in the season.

    Vaccinated adults, 2* unvaccinated adults, 1.2*vaccinated 6mo -7y olds, 6*unvaccinated 6mo-7yr olds.

    As for the elderly the study gotten by WHO it reduced risk of hospitalization by 27% and risk of death by 48%. The WHO thought the study isn't enough to make absolute conclusion on efficacy of flu vaccine for elderly.

    https://www.who.int/influenza_vaccines_plan/resources/Session4_VEfficacy_VEffectiveness.PDF

    Conclusion is that people interacting with small children and healthcare workers should get flux vaccines, small children should get flu vaccines as influenza is far worse disease for babies before their immune system is matured and learned to deal with the disease.

  26. I never understood why the flu shot was created. The Flu isn't a fatal disease to most people. Even if it could kill babies and elderly and immune suppressed people, so could the common cold. I think the flu shots were created so that the pharmaceutical companies could get a profit from it.

  27. It's okay, 10-15% effective, has many chemicals and toxins, has been corrupted by the corporate pharmacutical companies…. But still. Get it.

  28. I never get a flu shot and pretty much never get sick, the 2 years that I did get the shot I got the flu within a couple months after getting it…. so I am not sure how I feel about this…

  29. I was working at Walmart back in the 2000s and got a flu shot, I think it was free, and a week later I was out sick for 4 days over a weekend and I had to take sick days for the days I worked and Walmart will not pay you for the first day off sick so I lost a full days pay. I went back to work sick because they will fire you for missing too much work sick or not. Never got another flu shot since and have only been down sick with a cold for 2 or 3 days in the last 14 years. I'm retired and don't have to work anymore and be exposed to sick people. 2017 flu was really bad, I didn't get it but my Wife did and it killed her. Damaged her heart and she died in her sleep.

  30. The Flu Vaccine always gives me a stiff arm. LoL. But I've never gotten the Flu from it. I make sure that my family gets one every year. This year was especially important, as my son started preschool and kids are very germy.

  31. Never get flull blown flu from vaccines. Just constant sniffles thru the season. I know a lass who got Guillain-Barré syndrome. It was bad. I been in public places , incarcerated, hospitals and such. So I get the prick. So side effects for me till a month in. I also get it because I visit seniors and children. So I don’t want them sick cuz of me.

  32. Last flu shot gave me neuropathy in my hands too. Btw it ain’t from drinking beer. I don’t have gout or none of that.

  33. In reality the answer is yes since for the affected layperson the symptoms are flu like (albeit shorter in duration than actual flu) technically it's not of course but for 'All practical intents and purposes' it is.

  34. My aunt, who used to be a nurse, dragged me to get my shot early. I have gotten the flu every year a week after Christmas and I didn't get it this year! I did get a very nasty cold in its place tho. My four year old brother got his in a nasal spray because he was too young maybe? Idk. If anyone can say why nasal spray would be better for kids, though it may just be because he is petrified of getting shots in general.

  35. Some of those diseases are making a comeback thanks to the idiots who refuse to listen to science. Polio has popped up again, yay.

  36. What a great episode. Informative, exhaustively researched, and delivered in a way that keeps interesting despite the piling on of New information. Keep it up, guys!

  37. I dont even know anyone who gets a flu vaccine.
    I stopped getting colds and flu when I started working out and eating better.
    Many people I know get the flu and still I never catch it.
    The vaccine has no upside for me, only risk.

  38. A little surprised there was no mentioned about how the vaccinations save money too. The insurance, government, and businesses in general save billions each year due to the vaccinations. A decade ago, the FDA stated the figure for the government savings would be over 20 Billion dollars saved by the Government if all the citizens were vaccinated. That's a huge amount of money that could be used elsewhere.

    For instance, Insurance and Medicare/Medicaid, save money due to the injection as the chances of a patient being hospitalized from the flu decreases. They would rather spend the money on a $20-$40 injection then risk a hospital visit charging them a few thousand dollars.

    Business and Government can save money as the workforce is protected. It would often involve having to give paid leave on callouts, and having overtime for employees called in to cover a position. Not to mention the cost to a business if they have delays towards a goal that can cost a company a good deal of time or money if a key employee is taken out of the equation for weeks by a serious bout.

    This is why so many institutes have it mandated that people be vaccinated under employ. It just makes as much financial sense to be vaccinated as it does to get car insurance.

  39. Flu was epidemic last year in my neighborhood, because most of my neighbors believe anything that sounds like a conspiracy. Those of us who did get the shot, did NOT get the flu, but EVERY person who bragged about how smart they were for not getting a flu shot got sick with the flu. One almost died from pneumonia, but he still believes that the flu shot will kill him or give his grandkids autism.

  40. Co-Worker: I don't want to get a flu shot. Last time I got one, it made me sick.

    Me: It can't.

    Co-Worker: Of course it can! It has viruses in it!

    Me: The viruses are dead. They can't infect you. You would have simply been on the edge of catching something else.

    Co-Worker: Then… how do they work?

    Me: It's like sticking a corpse on a pike in front of your army and saying "See this? When you see one for reals, KILL IT."

    Co-worker: >.> It's… creepy when you say it like that.

    Me: Maybe so, but it works.

  41. I've known several ppl who have only gotten the seasonal flu when they got the shot. Of course, you'd take that with a grain of salt since it goes against your agenda.

  42. Cognitive dissonance again with this guy. The vaccine just gave you the flu, literally, injected into your blood stream containing foreign DNA/RNA structures & adjuvants (toxic material to stimulate immune response). Since everybody's genetic type is different and environmental/lifestyle factors are also at play a one size fit all doesn't work.

    So yes some will actually get sick because their bodies are overloaded handling other stressers to their systems causing a "shock" leading to sickness which may or may not be the flu.

  43. It's not exactly correct to say a flu shot can't make you sick. While it's true a flu vaccine doesn't give you a full blown case of flu, you can experience flu symptoms. The only time I've ever had the flu was at age 10. I never had flu shots until I was in the Army at age 17 where annual flu shots are mandatory. The only time I ever had flu symptoms after age 10 was after receiving a flu shot. After I left the Army, I never received anymore flu shots, and I've not had the flu, or any flu symptoms since.

  44. And EVERY SINGLE ONE of these reactions is noted in the piece of paper they give you when you get the shot. You really are supposed to read that sheet soon after you get it.

  45. Vaccines not only provide herd immunity for those unable to take the vaccine, but it also provides extra protection for those who took the vaccine in the first place.

    With herd immunity, there is so much less viral activity that environmental stress is reduced, so that even vaccinated folk are not multiply exposed. This allows the body to not only fight off what it is exposed to, but also allows the body to maintain strong immunity and resistance to other illnesses.

  46. Of course it does! Just like how bulletproof vests give you bullet wounds and using brakes causes speeding tickets.

  47. The majority of the comments I have seen here seem to be those who are against being vaccinated. Unless you are allergic to egg, they are 100% safe and do not cause autism nor the flu. Get. vaccinated. I can not recommend it enough, I know needles really suck but so does the flu. If we all get vaccinated more often, maybe we can wipe out even more viruses. Small pox is extinct, gone, vanquished. None of us ever have to take those vaccines again, we wiped out a virus that caused hundreads of death prior. And people still question their effectiveness? they're not perfectly effective, but they are extremely effective. In addition to that, be sure to wash your hands rather than using hand sanitizer, its good if you do not have access to a sink, but should not be used as a substitute to actual hand washing. Doing these things greatly benefit ourselves, but other people too. And if everyone does it, it becomes exponentially more effective.

  48. I would always get sick straight after the flu shot and would get sick at least twice a year. 2 years ago I decided it was just a waste getting the shot when I would just get sick anyway, so stopped getting them and have not been sick since! Have not had the flu in 2 years!

  49. FOR GODS SAKE TODAY IFO… Please stop putting that music in the background! Im constantly looking around for an ice cream truck!

  50. So, 1 in 1 000 000 people die from the Flu shot, let me put that into perspective, what if i told you i could cure cancer but it would require an annual sacrifice of 7000 people, it's ok th, sacrifices would be determined by lottery and a lot more people would live as opposed to those who die, however participation in the lottery is mandatory for everybody, would you agree?

  51. Sanitation has had a far greater effect on curbing illness than any shot could have. As stated these "magic bullets" have severe downsides and questionable effectiveness. He also didn't touch much upon Adjutants which harm your own immune system in order to supposedly give you that alleged protection. So basically, you're opening yourself up to other diseases in order to gain immunity (allegedly). Another problem is the issue with "herd immunity". Maybe I missed that day in biology class; it sounds a bit absurd that your immune system can leave your body and protect others. Sounds like an episode of Star Trek: TNG to me. Finally, if you really need to know what's up I recommend requesting the vaccine inserts that are provided by the manufacturer for safety and efficacy information. A lot of these drugs are not as rigorously tested as you might think.

  52. The flu shot makes so sick, getting the flu is preferable. However, I only seem to get it once in 4 to 5 years. I started getting sick from them in the Navy, and the 2 times I got them after that.

  53. If you do another video about vaccines, please mention that every person who has an auto immune disease, or is being treated for cancer etc, as well as children under 2 and over 65 are particularly vulnerable to the different antigens vaccines protect against. Ty 🙂
    Very cogent and detailed explanation about flu shots.

  54. I haven't gotten a flu in about 10 years. I do this by 1. Getting my flu shot every year 100%. 2. Eating healthy and working out and living a generally healthy lifestyle. 3. During the winter, i wear gloves, specifically mechanix gloves that have a rather unpleasant texture. If i have to scratch my nose or touch my mouth or eyes i instinctively take off the gloves to do it. The gloves touch all the door knobs and other public germ factories but never my face.

  55. I get my flu shot EVERY YEAR. I have been getting it annually back-to-back since 2008, ever since when I enlisted!

  56. Bill gates depopulation…do a video on who owns the federal reserve and why the people are indebted to the cartel 🤔

  57. Bill gates depopulation…do a video on who owns the federal reserve and why the people are indebted to the banking cartel 🤔

  58. Omg I’m a nurse and you cannot convince some people. They just won’t believe that the virus is dead and can’t actually hurt u. Then there are those who believe the government want to give them the flu to keep down numbers.

  59. At 15 years old, I got hit pretty hard by flu. Was bedridden for 2 weeks and lost almost 15kg, which is a lot for a smallish teenager. But it seems to have kicked my immune system into overdrive. In the almost 45 years since then, I seldom get sick at all. But if I do, colds which knock everyone around me out for a week, I'm over in less than 24 hours, and flus which take others a month or more to get over, I shake off in a week. So I've never seen any point to getting flu shots.

  60. When did it become ok to ignore the overall well being of everyone in favor of the individual? Even if a vaccine was guaranteed to save 1mil people but also guaranteed to kill 1 person, every one should be ok with this. You should be ok with dying knowing that you made the world better for everyone else. With today's outlook, Germany would have prevailed in WW2. Luckily soldiers knowing they were likely to die still stormed the beaches hoping to secure a better future for us.

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